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by CSPHistorical
Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:50 am
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: "1655...rum was first issued to the [Navy] ranks"
Replies: 19
Views: 32680

Okay, not as bad as I thought it was going to be in terms of time to read through all of this: "A Short History of Slavery and Sugar in Jamaica" Could you provide an author for this book or source (is it from a magazine or academic journal)? I did a direct search for this title online and ...
by CSPHistorical
Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:50 am
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: "1655...rum was first issued to the [Navy] ranks"
Replies: 19
Views: 32680

WOW, I take a break from my research for the time around the U.S. holiday of the 4th of July (I'm assuming not everyone here is an American) and I find all this text. It's going to take some time to sort through this. Hopefully there are some new sources in there, which I was hoping for when discuss...
by CSPHistorical
Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:07 am
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: "1655...rum was first issued to the [Navy] ranks"
Replies: 19
Views: 32680

"Personally I would not be so quick as to discount Jamaica, even in 1655." I would. As I mentioned before, what handful of sugarcane plantations there were on Spanish Jamaica in 1655 were small. There were even fewer mills. As Hans Sloane points out back then, Jamaica under Spanish rule wa...
by CSPHistorical
Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:35 pm
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: "1655...rum was first issued to the [Navy] ranks"
Replies: 19
Views: 32680

Doing more research, I can now expand on my previous point about sugar and rum production in Jamaica. As I expressed before, sugar production in Jamaica in 1655 was quite small, and rum production even less so (as period documentation suggests) under Spanish rule. It wasn't really an export-level pr...
by CSPHistorical
Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:57 am
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: "1655...rum was first issued to the [Navy] ranks"
Replies: 19
Views: 32680

Getting to the archives in the UK is a little bit hard for me. I live in American and don't have funding for ordering researchers to go look for me. But you would be amazed to see what documents have been transcribed from the period into publications for convenient reference to the public. Take this...
by CSPHistorical
Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:27 am
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: "1655...rum was first issued to the [Navy] ranks"
Replies: 19
Views: 32680

"Well, speaking of presumptions - which source says that "Jamaican rum was always much higher quality"?" I was quoting Capn Jimbo on that one. Anyway, the challenges posed by the greater issue of this whole "1655 - English Fleet issues rum to sailors for the first time becau...
by CSPHistorical
Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:23 pm
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: "1655...rum was first issued to the [Navy] ranks"
Replies: 19
Views: 32680

"I suggest you read or re-read Ian Williams "Rum, a social and sociable history", Chapter 18 "Rum, Buggery and the Lash: The Navy and Rum"." I did, and it's the exact same situation. The claim is there, but no footnotes/endnotes that say where the PERIOD sources (primar...
by CSPHistorical
Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:06 am
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: "1655...rum was first issued to the [Navy] ranks"
Replies: 19
Views: 32680

"1655...rum was first issued to the [Navy] ranks"

In my research of historical rum in the late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries, I've come across several books and sites online that say the English Navy first issued rum to sailors in the year 1655 when the English took Jamaica. Captain James Pack's "Nelson's Blood" and Wayne Cur...
by CSPHistorical
Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:43 am
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: Looking for Rum of 300+ Years ago in the 21st Century
Replies: 17
Views: 44783

"Now if this indeed is the goal, that book has already been written, and IS owned by many, namely "And a Bottle of Rum" by Wayne Curtis. Curtis is known for an excellent palate, is well traveled and respected, and a long time exponent and writer vis a vis fine spirits. He has the adva...
by CSPHistorical
Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:36 pm
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: Looking for Rum of 300+ Years ago in the 21st Century
Replies: 17
Views: 44783

Please see the slideware at this link: http://www.slideshare.net/TalesoftheCocktail/clairin-authentic-rhums-of-rural-haitipresentation You will not find anything closer to what the early European invaders of the Caribbean would have been able to produce with limited resources, knowledge, equipment....
by CSPHistorical
Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:14 pm
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: Looking for Rum of 300+ Years ago in the 21st Century
Replies: 17
Views: 44783

Re: mamajuana - River Antoine Rum Distillery looks astounding! I looked through the pictures and it looks like it might be one of the closest candidates I’ll get to period rum production. It should be noted that they are distilling off straight sugar cane juice and not molasses. I want to say I had ...
by CSPHistorical
Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:10 am
Forum: And your name again was??
Topic: Hello from a History Researcher
Replies: 4
Views: 7895

[quote="mamajuana"]Here is a online link to the shout out in the book. https://books.google.com/books?id=tRkjG-ph7RYC&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=Richard+Foss+%22Rum:+A+Global+History+rumproject&source=bl&ots=tF-EDvuW_U&sig=lYADFSvZRIYB4QaimerPNcs1Qhk&hl=en&sa=X&a...
by CSPHistorical
Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:09 am
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: Looking for Rum of 300+ Years ago in the 21st Century
Replies: 17
Views: 44783

Wow, this post got a lot of responses over the week. Thank you all for your time with this!

I will take the time to respond to all of these, since you all took the time to write these responses up.
by CSPHistorical
Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:07 pm
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: Looking for Rum of 300+ Years ago in the 21st Century
Replies: 17
Views: 44783

At this point, I would also be willing to look into Jamaica rum and first distillation rum as well in my search for accurate late seventeenth and early eighteenth century rum. The further I research modern rum, the more I realize that rum distilling changed more than I realized. If it helps obtain s...
by CSPHistorical
Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:22 pm
Forum: Scuttlebutt (shhh...)
Topic: Looking for Rum of 300+ Years ago in the 21st Century
Replies: 17
Views: 44783

Looking for Rum of 300+ Years ago in the 21st Century

In my efforts to research for a book on maritime food and drink of the 1680s-1730s (see the article I wrote here: https://csphistorical.com/2016/01/24/salt-pork-ships-biscuit-and-burgoo-sea-provisions-for-common-sailors-and-pirates-part-1/ - I discuss this project more in my "And your name agai...