Parsing Dept: The Frozen One analyzes Flor de Cana

This is the main discussion section. Grab yer cups! All hands on deck!
Post Reply
User avatar
Capn Jimbo
Rum Evangelisti and Compleat Idiot
Posts: 3551
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:53 pm
Location: Paradise: Fort Lauderdale of course...
Contact:

Parsing Dept: The Frozen One analyzes Flor de Cana

Post by Capn Jimbo »

"Recently, the entire Flor de Caña line-up has received a make-over with splashy new bottle designs. Part of this redesign was the elimination of a definitive age statement upon the new labels. Correspondence with the company indicates that the Company wanted to modernize the bottle presentation; but they maintain that no changes to the flavour profile of their rums has occurred.

Further persistence on my part has revealed however that the age profile of their rums has indeed changed...

The new bottling ...Flor de Caña Centenario 18 is now blended to an average age of 18 years. It is a subtle, but meaningful difference which strongly implies that the brand is across the board is younger than it was before."
Words matter, as do the conclusions based on them. Now while the Frozen reaches the correct conclusion - that the blend is younger - is no news; further his pathway to that conclusion - as well as the conclusion itself - is less than satisfying. Let's start here:
"Correspondence with the company indicates that the Company wanted to modernize the bottle presentation; but they maintain that no changes to the flavour profile of their rums has occurred."
Here begins his analysis, but one wonders why an analysis was even needed? FdC replaced "18 Years" with just "18". Frankly, that's all we need to know. No marketer in his/her right mind would ever miss an opportunity to state 18 "years" if it were legally possible. Of course the rum has been cheapened with the addition of younger components.

This trend was long ago brought to light by JaRiMi, but it's clear already that FdC has no intention of making an honest age statement anymore, but instead retains the duplicity of just saying "18", hoping no one will notice anytime soon. Too late.

Next:
"The new bottling however, the Flor de Caña Centenario 18 is now blended to an average age of 18 years. It is a subtle, but meaningful difference which strongly implies that the brand is across the board is younger than it was before."
Now things get well, curious. It's fair to believe that the old FdC 18 Year - if we can trust them at all - might have consisted of rums set aside for 18 years. Not 20 or 25 years, or they'd surely say so. But the Frozen One is claiming that he has somehow intuited or discovered that the new FdC "18" is now an "average of 18 years old"

That makes no sense, to wit...

If for example FdC has added some 15 year to the blend, it would have to be matched with an equal amount of 21 year old product to maintain the 18 year average. If 12 year product was used, it would have to be balanced with an equal amount of 24 year old. Let's stop right here!

Does anyone here believe that is what has happened? I don't. It is perfectly obvious that the trends are toward NAS - clearly younger blends - but that the marketeers want us to believe are actually better or just as good. Even MGXO is not the same blend it was, as the really good, really old stuff is saved for the super premium release like 1703. Yet according to Wolfie (and unlike MGXO), FdC states the profile has not changed at all!

In FdC's case this would mean they would have to divert rums over 20 years old - taking it away from possible super-premium releases like their 25 year, so that they can sell an "18" which carries no age statement? And all this just to maintain an "average" of 18 years, yet to keep that fact secret from the world except for the Frozen One? Really? If actually true, this is exactly the opposite of what MGXO and other distillers are doing.

I doubt it.

What I must and will believe is that the product is younger. Until FdC goes public with their claimed "18 year average", the FO's claim remains cold weather moose droppings. The obvious thing to have done wouldhave been to compare an old "18 year" to the new "18" to see if FdC's claim that there was "no change in profile" is true, a claim that Wolfie then examined:
"Although I have criticized the way the Flor de Cana rums have been labeled, I do not criticize the decision to make this particular brand just a little younger than it was before. This is because when I previously reviewed the Flor de Caña Centenario 18 Year Old Rum, I found the spirit had an overt oakiness that was somewhat distracting. The new iteration of the brand appears to have found a much better balancing point between the oak spice and the light butterscotch sweetness.".
Accordingly the Frozen One actually gave the new version a "92" compared to his old review of the old "18 year" at "85", based on the alleged real old stuff's "overt oakiness" (and reflecting his usual sweet tooth preference for "sweetness"). Have FdC's aging butts been kissed? You decide.



*******
Speaking of averages, it is notable that the FO's score of "85" for the actual "18 year" was for him, a bit of an insult, as per the Reviewer's Reviews his own "average" score was then calculated at about "87". Thus a score of "92" for the new "18" is quite the sop...

http://therumhowlerblog.com/rum-reviews ... enario-18/
mamajuana
Admiral
Posts: 231
Joined: Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:41 pm
Location: Buffalo

Post by mamajuana »

I do find this rather odd. Why not make an age statement? Unless the previous one was fake to being with. I was not a huge fan of the 12 and 18 year expressions that I bought from the older style bottling. I jumped on the newer bottles already long ago before really considering much.

I can say I that I never had the age statement 7 year. I tried the newer one and felt it was on par or better than the age statement 12 year. I also like the white 4 newer bottle.

While I have yet to crack the newer 4, 12 and 18 bottles it does beg the question. Why avoid making a clear age statement?

I have thought a few times about buying the 25 bottle. After reviewing this photo I question it. Many call this a 25 year rum. After careful review of the following photo with many times to state an age it fails making this dubious at best. For a supposed top end product it surely fails the litmus test of transparency.

See this photo from the rum gallery which states this is a 25 year old rum. Read it over and truly understand the concern.

http://www.rumgallery.com/_Media/flor-d ... --box.jpeg


Nowhere here it states that at all. While maybe they are blending better or have better cooperage than the past I'm unsure but they are surely avoiding any statements on age. While Dave has a great palate he either avoids testing rums with clear additives or posts an educated opinion from what gather, or borrows info, rather than testing anything.

Maybe they feel they can make better rum without an age statement. The 7 is surely decent. But I doubt completely these rums are an average age.

Also, with regard to the rumhowler, I could not stand the 100 day countdown. It was so arbitrary and just going over the past, nothing new, it was horrible, I imagine his hits went down the pipe drain over the past few months.
AK9
Cap'n
Posts: 146
Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:50 am

Post by AK9 »

Whats the point of using these numbers if they dont mean years?
It sounds obvious that they are moving to NAS but want to pretend that they are not.

At least we start to know what is ok/aythentic and what is hiding behind lots of PR and flashy boxes/bottles.
JaRiMi
Admiral
Posts: 313
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:14 am

Post by JaRiMi »

I suspect a few things:

A) The old age statements were far from reality in any case. And the rum, well - we're talking of a very modern, 2 x 6-column still solution = another alcohol factory. And legislation that regulates nada. No laws against false age statements. Just fancy stories.

B) False age statements is out, No age statement with a fancy story (and claims of big age anyways) is in. Remember Zacapa 23 YEARS? Then it became Zacapa 23 sistema solera. Big money owners changed it. Big international investors want such things cleaned up.

Has anyone tasted real oaky tannins in Flor De Cana older than, say, 7 years? Or other signs of real age? I have tasted but a few, and all seemed very light (duh), and no real signs of age.
User avatar
Capn Jimbo
Rum Evangelisti and Compleat Idiot
Posts: 3551
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:53 pm
Location: Paradise: Fort Lauderdale of course...
Contact:

Post by Capn Jimbo »

I'm with J on this one. Unlike the very strict regulations of single malts and until last year, bourbon, rum has NEVER been well regulated. When have age statements ever been reliable for rum? To my knowledge I've never seen a single bonded rum, ever.

Keep in mind too, that this was the company who created the non-term "slow aged", apparently for the slow of wit.
User avatar
The Black Tot
Admiral
Posts: 282
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:45 pm
Location: Houston TX and Caterham, UK

Post by The Black Tot »

Flor De Cana's offerings are also too light for my tastes.
Post Reply