Can it get any worse Dept: Imported bulk resold as local!

Post by **Capn Jimbo** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:09 pm

The company: Angostura...

...in a major violation of EU regs, Angostura is being audited and investigated for importing about $12M of bulk rum - and seems to be simply rebottling it, and representing it as "local" product.

Read the article, more later on this...
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20161203 ... for-export

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A big thanks to member "Jamie" who emailed me this link.

Post by **Capn Jimbo** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:04 pm

The word is spread...

"Wrong Blend? Integrity of Trinidad Rum Called Into Question"

"Leading Trinidad and Tobago rum manufacturer Angostura is facing possible sanctions after the company’s Board of Directors uncovered “illegal” practices that raise serious doubt about the integrity of its rum products.

The rum company has been importing heavy rum concentrate (HRC) from Cuba and South America and repackaging it to Caribbean Community (CARICOM) neighbours without substantial changes, according to documents obtained by the Trinidad Express newspaper."

http://www.caribbean360.com/business/wr ... f-39363741

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:28 pm

Is anyone really surprised? If you have tried their rums, you know that they are not of the pure unadulterated rum school. If Angostura is willing to add sugar and color and chill filter, it should not be surprising that they source rum elsewhere too.

anax44 · Post by **anax44** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:13 pm

They totally missed the point and issued a statement shortly after saying that their age statements are accurate.

JaRiMi · Post by **JaRiMi** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:46 am

Angostura's rums are full of laboratory-designed quality and taste, sadly. It is disappointing as hell.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:14 pm

One of the most disappointing lines of product I've ever tried. Gets worse the ''older'' the product gets. I read others thoughts on the 1824 and wonder are we talking about the same rum? If I didn't abhor waste,
I'd say that it is undrinkable. Scarlet Ibis comes from this distillery? Crazy!

edgarallanpoe · Post by **edgarallanpoe** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:51 pm

Scarlet Ibis does not come from this distillery. It comes from the old Caroni factory in Trinidad. Caroni is no more and Ang. bought a large portion of their rum but a ton of it was also sold outside of Trinidad IIRC. Ang. has zero to do with Scarlet Ibis.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:02 pm

I thought everything from Trinidad was Angostura owned?

The Black Tot · Post by **The Black Tot** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:17 am

That's what Edpoe just told you. They OWN old Caroni stock. They didn't make it.

I bought one bottle of Angostura to check it out years ago. That's me done for life.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:39 pm

FWIW, according to Haus Alpenz, via Wes, Scarlet Ibis IS from Angostura and does not contain Caroni Rum.

http://thefatrumpirate.com/the-scarlet- ... inidad-rum

The Black Tot · Post by **The Black Tot** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:51 pm

"I then asked if any rum from the Caroni Distillery was present

'Caroni is long gone, and the island production is all owned by Angostura. That said, they have a very wide range of distillates, well beyond what you see labelled under their brand.'"

Sounds like he's saying that SOMETHING other than Angostura is in there, and he didn't say "There is no Caroni"

I have the feeling further that the Scarlet Ibis blend has not been constant over the years. When the Iris was started, there likely WAS 8yr Caroni available for the first blends.

It's a dark horse. I wouldn't like to lay a bet either way!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:24 pm

I realize listening to someone from the PR department at H-A is a slippery slope, but it remains true that Ango is more likely than not, in some way, responsible for Scarlet Ibis. If SI has Caroni rum in it, wouldn't that be a selling point? To hide that fact... would be an incomprehensible marketing strategy.

19Jamie76 · Post by **19Jamie76** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:40 pm

The Black Tot wrote:"I then asked if any rum from the Caroni Distillery was present

'Caroni is long gone, and the island production is all owned by Angostura. That said, they have a very wide range of distillates, well beyond what you see labelled under their brand.'"

Sounds like he's saying that SOMETHING other than Angostura is in there, and he didn't say "There is no Caroni"

I have the feeling further that the Scarlet Ibis blend has not been constant over the years. When the Iris was started, there likely WAS 8yr Caroni available for the first blends.

It's a dark horse. I wouldn't like to lay a bet either way!

If it's not Caroni then it must be from Fernandes which was bought by Angostura.

Post by **Capn Jimbo** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:29 am

"If SI has Caroni rum in it, wouldn't that be a selling point? To hide that fact... would be an incomprehensible marketing strategy."

Well... maybe, but maybe not. I spent a goodly number of years in both advertising, commercials, marketing and product positioning - and I respectfully disagree. It's like Ford saying they outsource their engine manufacture to Volkswagen (which may be a bad example, lol), you get the idea.

Angostura - has always promoted on the Z23 model - and super premiumized the same kind of drivel, "world's best" etc. And priced it to boot. I think it unlikely they'd admit using another distiller's product...

Blowgunner · Post by **Blowgunner** » Mon May 11, 2020 9:15 am

Three CEOs in three years, scandals,adulteration and a new CEO Peter Sandström (exDiageo)...

"Local rum revenue grew by 8% or $6,4m as the market acceptance of new flavoured rum blends..."
Audited-Summary-Consolidated-Financials-of-AHL-March-31-2020

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